Kerb Weight by Axel

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Mon, 07/01/2013 - 21:55
Simon666
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Hi.. I do have a handbook for the G - 1985 460 300GD - so the heaviest of the standard versions of SWB.

I can find gross laden weight and max axle load... but I can't seem to find kerb weight and kerb weight by axle.

A search on here gives a Kerb weight of 2,000Kg for the vehicle (1,860 for the 230 Petrol) which sounds right - Strangely adding the max weight by axle gets you to 2,800kg against an overall Max Gross weight of 2,500Kg - yep i know your not meant to max both axle out :-)

So just missing the bit I need - Kerb weight by axle. In case your wondering I am sorting my suspension out - Gavin gave me loads of very useful information with regard to spring ratings, so I am just covering off any potential blind spots!

Many thanks

Simon

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Tue, 08/01/2013 - 14:52
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Re: Kerb Weight by Axel

 Models: 230G, 240GD and 300GD. (W460)

SWB:

Front axle weight (faw): 1200 Kgs
Rear axle weight (raw): 1600 Kgs
GVW: 2800Kgs

LWB:

faw:1300 Kgs
raw: 1800 Kgs
GVW: 2800Kgs.

Data as per Workhop Matainance Manual.

I expect people to make comments that GVW of a SWB and a LWB cannot be the same, but there you go, the data is from an official source. 

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Tue, 08/01/2013 - 23:46
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Re: Kerb Weight by Axel

Hi Rakesh

This is what I found in my handbook, but I took gross to mean the kerb weight + load to give the gross loaded weight? Vs unladen (again I am assuming kerb and unladen weight are the same - although I have also seen a description of kerb weight as unladen + fuel and driver).

I have always given the weight as 2,500kg, again from the handbook, but it was only when I looked in detail I noticed the Gross description for this weight and then further the higher 2,800kg based on adding the max axle values together.

So all very confusing, but it does explain why the totals for SWB & LWB appear the same? If it is vehicle + load..

Many thanks for having a look though..

Ta

Simon

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Thu, 10/01/2013 - 10:32
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Re: Kerb Weight by Axel

Hi you guys !

With my transport managers hat on......design/plated weights are not related to kerb wt.
Wt values in handbooks are only guides to vehicle ex factory.

Standard procedure is to visit a weighbridge.you can then get the real gross wt and follow with each actual axle wt.
keep the print out
Cost about £8
There are motor transport consultants who can help if you wish to increase/change the plated/design wts...often done to HGV's , not difficult with G wagons to upgrade to 3.500 [as Sprinter].
G's can any way take 100%+ overload ,certainly on gross train wt though getting this properly thru VOSA wd be a challenge ,tacho ,power brakes for trailer etc.
I have abused G's for over 25 years...only problem was the old 4 speed box behind the 617 needed changing every 5 years !
Like they say in school...don't get caught...fines for overloads are % based , thats why VOSA love to check transit pickups rather than 44 tonners.

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Thu, 10/01/2013 - 19:37
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Re: Kerb Weight by Axel

Hi Tony

Thanks for the comments.. Agree with you about abusing the G, they are about as strongly built as they come.. I am coming at it from a different angle to loading (though sticking 25-30 bags of sand and cement in the boot ang ignoring the groaning possibly was not a good thing :-))

I have had a problem with the suspension on the car for a while - sagging rear, very dangerous switch from under steer (expected) to very dramatic oversteer at low speeds with light loads on roundabouts. Any way after some great advise and a vin decode from Gav (and allowing for a 27yr history) I got to the bottom of it and decided to reset the whole set up.

So the axle weight question was part of me getting a new set up from an Aus 4x4 specialist via the uk distributor (they do expedition landcruisers + LR) so I wanted to be very informed (as usual Gav has supplied great info on the various spring options)

Any way when the distributors contacted Australia he found out they were now upto to speed on the G as the owner now had a 55AMG and was that impressed he got them to do full kits suitable for the 460 onwards!

So I am taking a punt and having a set sent over on a like it/works or return basis..

Which brings me to your very sensible point.. Go to a weigh bridge and get the actual weight, which I might still do just to settle a long standing discussion with the garage I use about how much heavier the G must be vs the LR Defender!

Again many thanks

To. Simon

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