Centre cap for G PUR
Can anybody help me with the part number for the Centre cap fitted to the Ashtaroth alloy wheel when used on the G PUR.
http://fourbyfourclub.com/W463Wheels/W461WheelCapProfessionalSILVER.htm
Thanks
howard
Hi Howard
I have Ashtaroth wheels on my 1999 G500. Although they are 18" wheels, I think the centre caps are the same as you're after having read the link on your post.
The part number on the back of mine reads: 201 401 0225.
Hope this helps.
Huw
I think the caps Howard is after are quite thicker or deaper should I say than regular one ....
Hello Howard,
Looking at some G PUR footage, it seems to me that the centre cap for the PUR is not a flush fit but sits proud, this is confirmed by the four by four's own beginning paragraph, description.
If you have a chassis number for a PUR that could help. I have two numbers for an Ashtaroth wheel but from the illustration on the EPC, that, I currently use, it is not distinctive as to its full and clear look. The numbers I show are as follows: A 220 400 01 25 and A 201 400 04 25, the first seems a hollow badge and the second seems a solid fill with a raised Mercedes Badge, but the cap looks like a flush fit.
Alternatively, get the local dealer to commit to the order of badge, in that way you will not be liable for a wrong cap, or, just buy one of each and then buy the rest after confirming which it is.
The black wheels and cap used on the Limited Edition comes under subgroup 28350 but I have no illustrations on that. A dealer's EPC should show you the illustration.
Would Mountain Goat 7 confirm, from his wheels, if his caps are a flush or a raised fit, please?
Regards,
Hi
I have a PUR chassis number if you need me to look
Gav
Hi Rakesh - my centre caps are flush so my info may not help.
However, the link provided by Howard to fourbyfour club's website refers to 16 and 18" ashtoroths (mine are 18 - are the Pur's 16?) using the same centre cap.
Cheers,
Huw
Hi
I have chassis numbers for ZB0 Edition.Pur, ZB1 Edition.Pur1, ZB2 Edition.Pur2 and ZQ5 Edition.Pur
ZB0 Edition.Pur Appears to run Steel Wheels
ZB1 Edition.Pur Appears to run an Alloy 5 Spoke Wheel with centre cap A461 400 01 25 9007 in Black
ZB2 Edition.Pur Appears to run an Alloy 5 Spoke Wheel with centre cap A461 400 01 25 9007 in Black
ZQ5 Edition.Pur Appears to run an Alloy 5 Spoke Wheel with centre cap A461 400 01 25 9007 in Black
I can find about 7/8 centre caps part numbers used over the years on the G but most are flush fit unlike the above which appear to stand proud a little like the early G 460 Steel Wheel centre caps?
Hope this helps
Gav
Prices for the G-Class G 280 CDI and the selectable EDITION.PUR extras
W461 Series Long Station Wagon 4 single seats - 5 doors - Wheelbase 2,850 mm
Purchase Price EUR Excluding VAT-Purchase Price Including 19% VAT
EDITION. PUR 49900.00 59381.00
G 280 CDI EDITION.PUR
Code ZB0 includes
225/75 R16 tyres, steel wheels 16”
EDITION. PUR off road Package 1 56900.00 67711.00
G 280 CDI EDITION.PUR
Code ZB1 includes
265/75 R16 tyres, Alloy wheels 16" Black, Towing hitch front bumper, Wooden flooring in cargo space, Flexible reading lamp for front passenger, Bonnet reinforced for accessibility, Radio ready including speakers and cabling, Headlight protective grilles, Front indicator protective grilles, Lashing in central cargo space.
EDITION. PUR off road Package 2 61900.00 73661.00
G 280 CDI EDITION.PUR
Code ZB2 includes
Off road package 1, Bracket outside mirrors - electrically adjustable and heated, CD-Radio,
Manual Air Conditioning, Fog lights, Mud Flaps front and rear, Heated front seats, Front Seats tilt adjustable, Hot water heater / heater.
SPECIAL EQUIPMENT
Metallic Paint Options 1000.00 1190.00
Thulite Red 3541
Tanzanite Blue 5359
Periclase Green 6300
Flint Grey 7368
Obsidian Black 9197
Iridium Silver 9775
Upholstery fabric Black / Grey 00.00 00.00
Instead of artificial leather VS1
Manual air conditioning H02 1890.00 2249.10
Heated Front Seats H10 320.00 380.80
Hot Water Heater / Heater H12 2010.00 2391.90
2-Leaf Rear Door 760.00 904.40
Including Spare Wheel Swivel W51
All purchase prices are for standard equipment from the German-Austrian border, plus transportation costs. The delivery is only available through one of our distributors. The purchase prices for extras are only for installation in the factory. Changes in design and execution, E&OE.
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Type G 280 CDI Execution EDITION.PUR
Off-road packages
Model / structure
Station Wagon long, 2,850 mm Wheelbase
Engine / Cylinder
Diesel/V6
Automatic transmission 5-speed
Total displacement (cc) 2987
Rated output (kW at 1/min) 135/3.800
Rated torque (Nm at 1/min) 400/1.600 - 2.600
Top speed (km / h) 160 (limited)
The rear axle tire size 225/75 R16 265/75 R16
Fuel consumption (l/100 km)
1) Inner City 16.2
2) Extra-urban 11.3
3) Combined 13.5
CO 2 Emissions (g / km) 354
Fuel tank capacity (l) 96
Empty weight / permissible. Total weight (kg) 2.540/3.500
Towing capacity Braked/Un Braked (kg) 3.200/750
Figures according to Directive 80/1269/EEC as amended by 1999/99/EC
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Preliminary values
Figures according to Directive 92/21/EC, version 95/48/EC (curb weight, fuel tank 90% full, driver, 68 kg, and luggage, 7 kg) for vehicles with standard equipment,
Optional extras and accessories increase value and reduce the payload accordingly.
Meets the Legal requirements by 12% at 3,200 kg.
Technical data for the G-Class G 280 CDI EDITION.PUR
Hello Gav,
A prices-less Thank you for your valuable put again. If you look at the link provided, you can see, looking at the wheels, the centre caps sit proud and these are finished in silver. I am sure Howard can spray the black cap as you have posted, silver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx2Sp9c6dzM&feature=related
Thank you to Huw, for your contribution, as you say, your caps are flush fitting which is not what Howard wants, and as Gav has mentioned, the Pur's wheels are 16". Personally, the wheel difference should not make any difference in my opinion, as the centre bore surely, would be the same on both. Mistry of Mercedes hey.
Coming back to Gav's comment, aren't the early steel wheel caps interlocking with wheel bolts, which would mean the caps have tongues to them? These Pur caps are round, without caps.
Howard, mate, wouldn't it be easier to stick to the caps you have? :0)
Regards
I think the Pur has flush fitting caps..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vZJbf_6x7s
and here from half way through
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXh9NWx4uVs&feature=related
Hi
The plot does thicken.....
The centre caps from the PUR i listed earlier in Black would appear to be the right spec if you have infact got PUR axles.
You will have to paint them silver as all the PUR alloys are Black as per the video.
The video also does show them as protruding slightly by 6/7mm where as the standard ones are actually flush.
The PUR vehicles all have wheel bolts though not studs? no matter if they are steel wheel or alloy.
The studs however will be available and should be pretty standard kit.
The twin rear wheel MB T1 and T1N Sprinter vans runs studs rather than bolts and also the T2 range of 6/7 ton vans.
All these run with a 14mm stud and nut set up with a conical washer to mount the wheel.
I work in a MB CV dealer and we have all sizes in stock so i will measure them all tomorrow and give you some part numbers and
options. They are all the standard MB 14mm x 1.5mm thread pitch. I would just like you to check the washer set up as these will be a
radius type just to make sure your wheel have a radius seat (which most MB models are) and not a tapered one.
The other option would be for you to get the axle number from the axle itself to see where it has come from. These will be on the centre
diff housing usually but have seen them on the tube itself. They are usually there and readable even after many years but if they are
PUR axles they should only be a few years old and still be there. The 730.??? Front or 741.??? Rear numbers would be great but even
the axle type AL0 ??? or HL0 ??? would be useful.
Hope some of this helps
Gav
Gav
Many thanks for your response . Very informative.
My chassis number is VAG 461326279135284
front axle 730 362 2R 084494
Rear axle 741 5252R 084561 aggregate variant C 004 015 033.
Earlier in the day i looked up the T1 studs but could only find short bolts. The seat does appear to be radius type but I am not to concerned with the nuts as they appear to be readily available.
Thanks for your time
Howard
Hi
Having looked further on the website in your original post....they list the same cap in either black or silver for the same wheel specs.
The black type picture also shows it in a wheel and protruding as well.
I endeavoured to find it in Silver on the EPC and i have come up with the same part number but with a different colour code.
A461 400 01 25 9715 Burnished Silver and are £9.00 each + vat and Germany have hundreds in stock, they are used with RL2 RL3
RL4 Alloy Wheel Sales Codes.
The special G Wagen wheel nuts are A461 401 01 72 and are £2.70 each + vat and Germany have thousands in stock, and they are
same steel or alloy wheels and must have a built in radius.
The studs used when Alloys are fitted are A463 401 01 71 and are £3.80 each + vat and Germany have hundreds in stock for the
Front and A463 401 00 71 and are £9.25 each + vat and Germany have a few dozen in stock for the Rears and are both G specific.
These replace the studs when steels are fitted A309 401 02 71 and are van spec for the Front and A461 401 00 71 for the Rear which is
G specific.
The steel wheel set up looks like its from a Worker W461 model and the Alloy set up are mainly Military versions but with Black wheels.
I can't find an Alloy wheel fitted chassis with Silver wheels but i guess thats not important really.
We will get there eventually.
Gav
Hi Again
Sorry missed you posting your details while i was posting again!!
That comes up as a 1998 Steyr Puch Supplied LWB Panel Van with OM602 Turbo and Auto Box in Fern White?
It left the factory running steel wheels and wheel bolts.
I was really after the axle details from the replacement axles you have fitted now not the original factory axles.
Cheers
Gav
Hi
The standard single rear wheel T1 (601 Chassis 207D/208/208D/209D/210/210D and 602 Chassis 307D/308/308D/309D/310/310D)
does only run bolts all around as does the Sprinter (901/902/903 Chassis).
Only the twin rear wheel T1 varients (611 Chassis 407D/408D/409D/410/410D) and the Sprinter (904/905 Chassis) run a stud and nut
set up, i guess due to the extra weight loading.
Since the G is designed to pull a huge train weight in commercial spec then it would make sense.
Gav
Hi gav still digesting the information you sent in your earlier post.
The axles where fitted in the factory as a special order.
Hi
OK i think we are safe here. From your post i had read in to it, that you had swopped the axles at a later date...for PUR type......
....sorry...my mistake.
The EPC for your chassis number shows Steel Wheels and the deep wheel centre associated with those wheels that locates on the bolt.
It also lists wheel bolts to chassis number and blocks out the wheel nuts?
On further digging there are no wheel studs shown for the front axle?
But the rear axle is also shown with the steel wheel type studs being fitted?
Now it can't have both bolts and studs!!!
On closer looking at the drive shaft configuration it does show the extended type shaft being fitted front and rear.
I am happy with the part numbers for the centre caps in Silver and also the Alloy Wheel type studs front and rear.
If you want to get them double checked thats fine or if you want to order one of each to check also.
If you have plenty of time i should be able to apply to the factory for the specification or technical drawing of the studs.
Let me know how you get on
Gav
Hi
Over and above the "standard" extra's list your vehicle had these Puch extra's also from my interpretation and translation
Z99 BFS2744 Front Axle VA: BM 730.362 Rear Axle HA: BM 741.525 I = 4.11
Front Axle VA-LOAD: 1,400 KG Rear Axle HA-LOAD: 2.300 KG GVW: 3500KG
E50 ANTENNA INSTALATION KIT WITH FRONT MOUNTED SPEAKER
LB4 TURN SIGNAL GLASSES WHITE
V47 TRAY WITH WARM AIR GUIDE
Z86 PUCH EMBLEMS
Q53 TRAILER COUPLING BALL HEAD TYPE LOW MOUNTED
Which would clarify the axle information you stated
Gav
Again thanks for your time on this. I ordered one of each of the parts this morning which hopefully should be with me in two or three days.
Good afternoon Gav
The bolts arrived this morning so will re measure the hubs this evening to make sure they are the correct length. But first impressions are that they should fit.
The centre cap is spot . When you have a minute I would appreciate the part number for the black centre cap for future reference.
Thanks again. H
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Thanks Guys but the plot thickens
My axles are the heavy duty units as fitted to the chassis cabs and I believe PUR models.
I have recently purchased a set of 16" Astaroth alloys to replace the original steel rims. My first problem is that the wheels are held on with studs not bolts which when I fit the alloys and nuts are about 10mm to short. So I need to find the part number for a longer stud. Which I understand exist, but dammed if I can find the part number. The existing stud is a M14 with a 1.5 thread pitch and 80mm long. I need 90-92mm.
The halfshaft on the heavy duty axle is secured differently, hence the extended middle section on the hub end. Hence the deeper cap (also see picture).
I could do with the the part number for then cap as per my original thread, and ideally the part number for the studs, which I think are manufactured by Fabi of Germany.
Thanks for the help.
cheers